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The folks from Trulia are listening

The response from yesterday’s post regarding my decision to go on strike against Trulia Voices has been amazing to say the least.  Within hours, both Jonathan Dalton and Jay Thompson had joined the picket lines.

At that point, I decided Trulia deserved fair notice, so I sent an email to the PR department at Trulia, advising them of our decision, with links to all 3 posts.  Just a few hours later, Pete Flint, Founder and CEO of Trulia himself, was found commenting on all of our blogs.  This is one of the great things about the Web 2.0 world we now live in.  We can have an absolutely fantastic discussion, with all of the right players, right out in the open for everyone to see.  Transparency indeed.

With such a captive audience, I want to discuss how I think Trulia can make Voices better, along with the various methods I’ve already seen discussed. 

OPTION 1

Jay suggests simply doing away completely with any type of ranking system for a Voice.  He contends it isn’t need to encourage participation.  Or more importantly, it isn’t needed to encourage healthy, helpful participation.

OPTION 2

Athol Kay suggests that Trulia look closely at the Player versus Player ranking systems found in today’s most sophisticated massively multi-player online games.  I’m guessing he’s talking about World of Warcraft or possibly Guild Wars when he suggests this.

OPTION 3

Jonathan suggests that for now, agents use their blog, along with questions left via email or on comments, as the safest way to get accurate, local advice for buyers and sellers from real estate professionals

OPTION 4

And finally, Pete has roughly described a complicated algorithm that the engineers at Trulia are working on that they feel will better rank the Voices, to take into account some of the problems we’ve highlighted.

Of all of these suggestions, with an eye on improving Trulia Voices, I like Option 1 the best

However, completely getting rid of any ranking is a bit harsh.  There is certainly merit in having a system that rewards Voices that continually provide high quality content.  So here are a couple of suggestions for how the system can be improved:

First, like Jay suggests, there shouldn’t be any ranking system that allows me to manipulate it to achieve a better ranking.  I disagree with Pete and Athol that using some form of extremely complicated algorithm that does the ranking automatically is the solution.  No matter how sophisticated, the underlying mechanism is there, and people will learn to exploit it.

Instead, if Trulia decides to move forward with a system that recognizes the better Voices, I would suggest this system be used only to identify candidates.  Once a candidate Voice is found, a human being or team of people should review the body of work from that Voice, and if appropriate tag that Voice with some moniker. 

Microsoft does this on their TechNet forums with the MVP tag.  I’ve come to rely on the Small Business Server forums and I know that when I get a response from an MVP, I’m likely to be getting good advice.  Aside from this tag or moniker, I’d prefer to see no ranking at all.  The moniker approach still creates a popularity contest problem that may be problematic over time as a gripe between the haves and the have-nots.  If that’s something , then just going to every Voice being equal is far better than any type of ranking system in my book.

I also think Trulia needs to implement a system by which answers and questions can be identified as inappropriate, so that they can potentially be removed, and when necessary, the person involved can be reprimanded in some way.  Many public forums have “report this” type features, but craigslist is an easy example to point to.  I’ve seen reported postings on craigslist get removed.  The same with reported profiles on myspace.  It works.  It needs humans to manage it, as it isn’t automatic, but the community is happy to see the inappropriate content removed.

Finally, I was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal today when a reporter found my blog.  I essentially restated my position, but I added the following:  I want to be a part of high quality content on the web.  When Trulia Voices is providing consistently quality content, I’ll be back.  Greg Swann said much the same thing about the Bloodhound blog yesterday, in regards to how he goes about recruiting new authors.  A significant factor in my participation is in the overall quality of the content.

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Athol Kay 11.01.07 at 3:04 pm

You just have to remember what the ranking system is for. The point of it is for Trulia, and only indirectly for agents and consumers.

The whole point of the points was to create a time sink where agents provided Trulia content for free.

The whole thing is a game, hence my suggestion to at least create a decent game.

Honestly as soon as I saw the points system months ago I knew the whole thing was just going to be a reputation grind with lame rewards and never bothered starting it.

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Jonathan Dalton 11.01.07 at 3:20 pm

Technically I already was in the picket line. :-)

Also, I’m a proponent of option one. Option three was solely for my own benefit.

3

Steve Belt 11.01.07 at 3:20 pm

Athol- I see your point, and your perspective. I’m hopeful that Trulia can make the changes necessary to end the game.

Although that reminds me that I’m listed on BlogShares and have never played that game. Something tells me I should really look into it.

4

Steve Belt 11.01.07 at 3:25 pm

Jonathan- Point well taken about. I agree that while you hadn’t announced it, your actions were speaking.

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Pete Flint @ Trulia 11.01.07 at 7:45 pm

Yes, we are listening.
Thanks so much for presenting your ideas on options, this is actually very useful for us. It is amazing how we can get feedback so quickly about what we are doing right and wrong.

We’ve been working on some ideas today to work through a resolution. You definitely kicked us into action to work on this and the dialog has helped us to think through the issues…

We’re finishing it up and testing it and will be out in the next week or so when we do our next software release.

Watch this space.

Pete

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Steve Belt 11.01.07 at 7:47 pm

Great news Pete. I really look forward to seeing the changes.

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Greg Swann 11.01.07 at 10:21 pm

Very cool all around. My hat is off to you!

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Pete Flint @ Trulia 11.02.07 at 11:37 am

Steve,
Just to clarify one item in your post. You say:

“I also think Trulia needs to implement a system by which answers and questions can be identified as inappropriate, so that they can potentially be removed, and when necessary, the person involved can be reprimanded in some way.”

We do have a “report” button on every question and every answer. Emily from Trulia ( http://www.trulia.com/voices/profile/Other–13410/ ) manually reviews every post that is reported and we do remove posts that violate our community guidelines. We also follow up with the poster via email to inform them why we removed their post. Usually the reason posts are removed is due to an oversight by the poster rather than malicious activity and once the poster understands the guidelines, they get back on track. Clearly if anyone consistently violates our terms, then we will ban them from using the service, but fortunately we have not had to do this yet.

Pete

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Steve Belt 11.03.07 at 10:24 am

Pete,

I don’t know why I didn’t see that Report button before. Maybe it was the thumbs down button that kept drawing my attention away from it. I’m really not sure.

Thanks for point it out.

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